zaishen or sweet tooth cheaper? - Guild Wars Forums

Xslash · Jan 10, 2011, 11:22 PM // 23:22

if I needed one more title for HoM, and for simplicity, i have 0 points in both.

would r3 zaishen be cheaper or r2 sweet tooth be cheaper?

i have done some basic math.

1 zkey = 5500?
200 zkey = 1,100,000?

1 sweet point = 100g?
10,000 sweet points = 1,000,000?

are my prices accurate?. more importantly, i realize zkeys have a return rate of something, because you get items from the chest. Anybody open alot of chest and can estimate how much I would make back? Would it be greater than 100k?

or should I just stick with sweet tooth.

LifeInfusion · Jan 10, 2011, 11:36 PM // 23:36

I'd go for Z title if it's for HoM. If you're going for GWAMM then you have to do Sweet tooth.

Zaishen at least gives a shot at decent items. Sugar is used up.

killerbot3009 · Jan 10, 2011, 11:56 PM // 23:56

hey,

Firstly Z Is the best for HoM, Assuming you dont have another PvP title as its owrth 2 points, where as sweet Tooth is just worth 1.

Secondly yeah you can expect some sort of return on the Z chest. I am r8 atm, and so far have only had 1 VS drop, no Everlasting tonics no decent skins, maybe a few decent mods, but not to warren the money/time spent on the title.

If you are looking for HoM points only, then Zrank would be the way to go. you could get lucky with drops and make a bit of money back, if not you will still end up with lots of Firewater ~400each or Creme Brules and Lock Picks.

I got my Sweet and drunk titles up solely from the Zchest and drops on my warrior, and R2 sweet ~8000 Drunk.

The only problem is Zkeys are hard to find. and sweet Points are easy to find. 6e=250. so it is really up to you if u want to waste time looking for Keys, or just buy the easier title.

DolyakJockey · Jan 11, 2011, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Yes your prices are fairly accurate.
As far as making 100k off of going for r3 z-rank, should probably check the wiki for drop percentages so you dont get your hopes up. Expect alot of firewater flasks and creme brulees.

Xslash · Jan 11, 2011, 12:10 AM // 00:10

haha zaishen counts as pvp.
never wouldve guessed that.

nice. thanks. that makes decision easy.

Wildora Fox · Jan 11, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14

You can buy Zkeys for less than 5,5k each. For example, I bought them till r3 for 4,5-4,7k each really fast with the HoM rewards already implemented. So, an average of 5k each would make it 1kk. But trust me, it won't be difficult to spend only 900k.

You also have the chest's drop. You can get shit from it, like sin or mesmer tomes or high-end items, EL tonics.... It is just a matter of luck. But for example based on wiki statistics, receiving a Cr??me Br??l??e has about 25% chance, so for 200 keys, would make 50 Cr??mes. There is a lot of people paying 400g for each, that would make statistically, an echonomicall feedback of 20k.
About 1/3 would be gold items [7 golds -> 4.5k(aprox)]. And statistically you would receive 66 golds -> 42k. So you easily received 60k from what you had spend.

If you go for sweet tooth, now prices are ok, so you can get it for 1kk, luckly lightly cheaper.

Looking far in the future, if you go for zaishen you will be receiving sweet points as well, but if you go for sweet points, if you want to go later for zaishen you will have to start from 0 and you will have exceeding sweet points.

**cosyfiep** · Jan 11, 2011, 12:42 AM // 00:42

I got ALL of my sweet points for free (nic, halloween, wintersday etc)...so it was easy.....and free, just took some time.

Bad Company Sin · Jan 11, 2011, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Zaishen.......

RedDog91 · Jan 11, 2011, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Sweet tooth is easily done for free when holiday events come around. I know some people who max'd sweet on 2 or 3 characters just this past Wintersday.

Zashien title also has a chance at some good items. Don't get your hopes up thinking you'll get any money back, but at least bet on a handful of elite tomes. Also, you'll get a fair amount of sweets from the chest.

*Darcy* · Jan 11, 2011, 01:14 AM // 01:14

You can get Zaishen Keys for free by purchasing them with Balthazar Faction. You can earn this through low-level PvP - Zaishen Elite, Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry or Alliance Battles. The Factions PvP also earns you Kurzick or Luxon Faction for those titles.

Bad Company Sin · Jan 11, 2011, 01:44 AM // 01:44

yup, only need 1 million or so balthy faction

Valerius · Jan 11, 2011, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildora Fox

You can buy Zkeys for less than 5,5k each. For example, I bought them till r3 for 4,5-4,7k each really fast with the HoM rewards already implemented. So, an average of 5k each would make it 1kk. But trust me, it won't be difficult to spend only 900k.

i'm in gtob right now and there are four people buying at 5.5K, three for 5.6K and two at 6K. imo I think it would be very difficult to only spend 900K. :/

AngelWJedi · Jan 11, 2011, 04:59 AM // 04:59

one thing you forgot to factor in is the people and dates. some sweets like cremes are usually the same prices. but event sweet usually go up as the further away we go from the event. and some items like rock candy are usually priced different per person. its cheaper to do zaishen or if your not in a hurry get your sweet via nic.

Bad Company Sin · Jan 11, 2011, 09:48 PM // 21:48

for sweet tooth, buy cheep sweets, not red,blue, green candies, those are priced more for the effects.

Jan 10, 2011, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#1
Xslash Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2008	zaishen or sweet tooth cheaper? if I needed one more title for HoM, and for simplicity, i have 0 points in both. would r3 zaishen be cheaper or r2 sweet tooth be cheaper? i have done some basic math. 1 zkey = 5500? 200 zkey = 1,100,000? 1 sweet point = 100g? 10,000 sweet points = 1,000,000? are my prices accurate?. more importantly, i realize zkeys have a return rate of something, because you get items from the chest. Anybody open alot of chest and can estimate how much I would make back? Would it be greater than 100k? or should I just stick with sweet tooth.

Jan 11, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14	#6
Wildora Fox Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Nice To Kill You [NTKU] Profession: N/P	You can buy Zkeys for less than 5,5k each. For example, I bought them till r3 for 4,5-4,7k each really fast with the HoM rewards already implemented. So, an average of 5k each would make it 1kk. But trust me, it won't be difficult to spend only 900k. You also have the chest's drop. You can get shit from it, like sin or mesmer tomes or high-end items, EL tonics.... It is just a matter of luck. But for example based on wiki statistics, receiving a Cr??me Br??l??e has about 25% chance, so for 200 keys, would make 50 Cr??mes. There is a lot of people paying 400g for each, that would make statistically, an echonomicall feedback of 20k. About 1/3 would be gold items [7 golds -> 4.5k(aprox)]. And statistically you would receive 66 golds -> 42k. So you easily received 60k from what you had spend. If you go for sweet tooth, now prices are ok, so you can get it for 1kk, luckly lightly cheaper. Looking far in the future, if you go for zaishen you will be receiving sweet points as well, but if you go for sweet points, if you want to go later for zaishen you will have to start from 0 and you will have exceeding sweet points. Last edited by Wildora Fox; Jan 11, 2011 at 12:17 AM // 00:17..

Jan 11, 2011, 12:42 AM // 00:42	#7
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	I got ALL of my sweet points for free (nic, halloween, wintersday etc)...so it was easy.....and free, just took some time. __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Jan 10, 2011, 11:36 PM // 23:36	#2
LifeInfusion Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: in the midline Profession: E/Mo	I'd go for Z title if it's for HoM. If you're going for GWAMM then you have to do Sweet tooth. Zaishen at least gives a shot at decent items. Sugar is used up.

Jan 10, 2011, 11:56 PM // 23:56	#3
killerbot3009 Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: the beaster Guild: the Gold Fish [GOLD] Profession: W/	hey, Firstly Z Is the best for HoM, Assuming you dont have another PvP title as its owrth 2 points, where as sweet Tooth is just worth 1. Secondly yeah you can expect some sort of return on the Z chest. I am r8 atm, and so far have only had 1 VS drop, no Everlasting tonics no decent skins, maybe a few decent mods, but not to warren the money/time spent on the title. If you are looking for HoM points only, then Zrank would be the way to go. you could get lucky with drops and make a bit of money back, if not you will still end up with lots of Firewater ~400each or Creme Brules and Lock Picks. I got my Sweet and drunk titles up solely from the Zchest and drops on my warrior, and R2 sweet ~8000 Drunk. The only problem is Zkeys are hard to find. and sweet Points are easy to find. 6e=250. so it is really up to you if u want to waste time looking for Keys, or just buy the easier title.

Jan 11, 2011, 12:08 AM // 00:08	#4
DolyakJockey Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2010 Profession: W/	Yes your prices are fairly accurate. As far as making 100k off of going for r3 z-rank, should probably check the wiki for drop percentages so you dont get your hopes up. Expect alot of firewater flasks and creme brulees.

Jan 11, 2011, 12:10 AM // 00:10	#5
Xslash Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2008	haha zaishen counts as pvp. never wouldve guessed that. nice. thanks. that makes decision easy.

Jan 11, 2011, 12:48 AM // 00:48	#8
Bad Company Sin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Texas Guild: Embrace Annihilation [?????????] Profession: A/	Zaishen.......

Jan 11, 2011, 12:53 AM // 00:53	#9
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	Sweet tooth is easily done for free when holiday events come around. I know some people who max'd sweet on 2 or 3 characters just this past Wintersday. Zashien title also has a chance at some good items. Don't get your hopes up thinking you'll get any money back, but at least bet on a handful of elite tomes. Also, you'll get a fair amount of sweets from the chest.

Jan 11, 2011, 01:14 AM // 01:14	#10
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	You can get Zaishen Keys for free by purchasing them with Balthazar Faction. You can earn this through low-level PvP - Zaishen Elite, Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry or Alliance Battles. The Factions PvP also earns you Kurzick or Luxon Faction for those titles.

Jan 11, 2011, 01:44 AM // 01:44	#11
Bad Company Sin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Texas Guild: Embrace Annihilation [?????????] Profession: A/	yup, only need 1 million or so balthy faction

Jan 11, 2011, 04:59 AM // 04:59	#13
AngelWJedi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: orlando,florida Guild: Society of Souls [Argh] Profession: Rt/E	one thing you forgot to factor in is the people and dates. some sweets like cremes are usually the same prices. but event sweet usually go up as the further away we go from the event. and some items like rock candy are usually priced different per person. its cheaper to do zaishen or if your not in a hurry get your sweet via nic.

Jan 11, 2011, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#14
Bad Company Sin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Texas Guild: Embrace Annihilation [?????????] Profession: A/	for sweet tooth, buy cheep sweets, not red,blue, green candies, those are priced more for the effects.